Pub Bigot
5:35 Mon Mar 6
Re: West Ham United pre 1965 - Essex
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Gavros 5:22 Mon Mar 6
Re: West Ham United pre 1965 - Essex
Interesting. So an East End club originally, then Essex once moved to Canning Town/Upton Park until 1965.
I'm glad I asked this question, because it is a matter of understanding my clubs history, at least from my standpoint.
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Gavros
5:24 Mon Mar 6
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Had the Olympics never have happened and the London Stadium never existed, had the clubs plans been to move into Essex proper, would you have objected to it because we are a London club?
Massively. Wed be giving up on london and running to the hills. In ten years time our rivals would be Colchester and Gillingham.
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Gavros
5:22 Mon Mar 6
Re: West Ham United pre 1965 - Essex
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The clubs founding documents were made up in the Thames Ironworks offices, which were on the west side of the Lea in blackwall.
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1964
1:05 Mon Mar 6
Re: West Ham United pre 1965 - Essex
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Coffee 12:55 Mon Mar 6
Exactly Coffee.
The wind direction is prominantly from the South West so blowing in an easterly direction.
This means you are more likely to hear it east of London than west. Thus why East Londoners are more likely to be cockneys than those west of Cheapside
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Pub Bigot
1:03 Mon Mar 6
Re: West Ham United pre 1965 - Essex
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Here's a question. Had the Olympics never have happened and the London Stadium never existed, had the clubs plans been to move into Essex proper, would you have objected to it because we are a London club?
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Pub Bigot
1:02 Mon Mar 6
Re: West Ham United pre 1965 - Essex
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1964... I need to get my eyes tested. I think I have 1965 on the brain!
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1964
1:01 Mon Mar 6
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kips 12:13 Mon Mar 6
Stratford was in Essex pre-1965 but was part of the County Borough of West Ham with it's own administration seperate from Essex County Council but still geografically in Essex.
The font of all dubious knowledge:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratford,_London
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Pub Bigot
1:00 Mon Mar 6
Re: West Ham United pre 1965 - Essex
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So going by what 1965 wrote, our origins are as an Essex based football club. Post 65 when the London boundary grew, we were encompassed into the newly created East London area.
Sold0 is right that the difference between the East End and East London is that East London begins at to the east of the River Lea. Although The East End is encompassed into East London on a larger scale now, meaning that The East End/East London are one and the same.
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Pub Bigot
12:57 Mon Mar 6
Re: West Ham United pre 1965 - Essex
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So, going by what 1965
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Coffee
12:55 Mon Mar 6
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Does the qualifying "within the sound of St Mary Le Bow bells" take account of wind direction, time of the day, etc, or is there an accepted area in which those bells are deemed to be heard?
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1964
12:49 Mon Mar 6
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We're an East London club now but pre-1965 the Boleyn ground was geographically in Essex, like it or lump it.
Being born in East London does not automatically make you a cockney. In fact being born in the City, Hackney, Islington, Tower Hamlets or Southwark is more likely to make you a cockney, all within the sound of St Mary Le Bow bells in Cheapside.
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Northern Sold
12:28 Mon Mar 6
Re: West Ham United pre 1965 - Essex
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Gonna end up in a few years time that any place with a E or EC postcode will be classed as EAST END.... not for me... stops at the river east wards...
http://assets.londonist.com/uploads/2016/02/towerhamlet.jpg
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kips
12:13 Mon Mar 6
Re: West Ham United pre 1965 - Essex
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According to all the pre 1911 censuses West Ham was listed as in Essex although Stratford was not.
I am sure boundary changes since then puts it firmly in East London.
Calling it an East London club when it was formed probably wasn't quite true then.
Then again the old saying of East End cockney's were born within the sound of Bow Bells is also not quite true either,
The Bow church they refer to is St Mary Le Bow in the city of London.
My Brother in Law, who was born next to Regents Park reckoned he could hear the bells of St Mary le Bow on Sunday Morning so he reasoned he was an East End Cockney.
Take it all with a pinch of salt I Think.
We are an East End Club because we are at the East End of London Town.
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Northern Sold
11:47 Mon Mar 6
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, 11:40 Sun Mar 5
Re: West Ham United pre 1965 - Essex
We are an East End club, always were and still are.
East London... YES
East End... NO
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ted fenton
10:49 Mon Mar 6
Re: West Ham United pre 1965 - Essex
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lab 6:26 Mon Mar 6
Re: West Ham United pre 1965 - Essex
You up for your paper round Ted?
:-)
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
10:35 Mon Mar 6
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West Ham (or East Ham, in fact, which is where Upton Park is) has no more been part of Essex than it is now since 1915, when it became a county borough, entirely independent of Essex County Council. and for those who want to hark back to the Memorial Ground, West Ham became a county borough in 1889.
And North Woolwich used to be in Essex, so fucking there!
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Eddie B
10:14 Mon Mar 6
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UPMINSTER IS IN ESSEX.
There, I've said it.
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gph
9:56 Mon Mar 6
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http://www.postcodearea.co.uk/facts/history/
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gph
9:52 Mon Mar 6
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London post codes have been around since 1857, and, except for minor variations, in their present form since 1917.
So, in the view of the Post Office, West Ham has been a London club either for its entire existence, or since 1917.
But only since 1965 from the point of view of local government.
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lab
6:26 Mon Mar 6
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You up for your paper round Ted?
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ted fenton
6:14 Mon Mar 6
Re: West Ham United pre 1965 - Essex
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claret50 11:52 Sun Mar 5
Re: West Ham United pre 1965 - Essex
We have never been referred to as an Essex club, Ilford, Barking and Dagenham were all in Essex when I grew up in the 40's & 50's and when I lived in Manor Park in the 60's Essex started at Ilford.
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